Update:Take this thread lightly. Do i believe every god damn thing in the video? No. Do i believe some things? Sure. If you make a post flaming me after this update is added, I will report you to an admin/mod. THESE ARE JUST PERSONAL VIEWS.




It was about the facts behind 911 and how everything is so off the point. It didnt go down like we thought it did.

First major fact was that Bush knew the first plane hit 8:30 insted of 8:46. Thats why when he was told, he just stood there and continued reading to the kids. He then flew to 2 other airports and then continued on to the white house.

Secondly, there is 0 evidence of the plane hitting the pentagon. Infact...there is zero evidence of a plane even there. There was no damage to the grass out front of the Pentagon...but why not? It hit the front of the Pentagon...which means it would have to litterally be flying just about 2 feet over the grass to still hit and not cause damage. Secondly, a boeing 757 is huge. There is zero possibility of the plane being disinigrated with zero remains after exploding into the pentagon. Same with the Shanksville PA crash, there is maybe a 2ft crater in the ground....a boeing crash would cause much more. And again, no plane parts were to be found.

With that being said I move onto the WTCs. The movie showed certain training drills that were very specific. Including "a plane crashes into the world trade center after being hijacked" Those were written years before 9/11 even happened! Why were these so specific. They claimed they were to "unrealistic" and shouldn't be practiced. Yet they still were.

Weeks before 9/11, certain floors of the WTC were fireproofed. Guess which floors they were. The same floors that were effected by the plane crash. But theres no possible way that a solitary plane crash into the top floors of the Twin Towers would be able to make the towers collapse into a fine dust. The building is made of tough steel and that was somehow a dust as well.
The melting point of steel is: 2500F. The collapse was blamed on jetfuel burning. Jetfuel burns at 800-1200F. It can't melt steel. Red pieces of plastic were recovered from an independent investigation that had traces of aluminum and iron, which when combined in a way makes Thermite. Guess how hot thermite burns, 2500F. The exact melting point of steel. How did thermite get in to the WTC? Thermite bombs. Fires were lit at the base of the WTC.

And a fun fact: The pentagon broke ground September 11th 1941.

For everything else, please go watch "Loose Change 9/11:The American Coup"

Now before you flame me, this is just how I feel after watching the movie. You all have your own views.

Which is why there is security footage of the plane hauling ass into the pentagon. First off, you must realize the pentagon was MADE to withstand impacts of that kind of force. Its a military installation. Any less and you may as well build your house out of sticks and hey as put a target up that says "Hit me". The lack of evidence is retarded.

Ignoring the fact that there is a plane actually viewable, however briefly on the security vids, what's your explanation for all of the witnesses that saw the plane hit? Better yet I've heard some people claim it was a missle. Where is all of the evidence that it was a missile? Where's the video of the missile? The witnesses? The parts? Anything? And why a missile? And what happened to the plane and passengers of Flight 77?

Weeks before 9/11, certain floors of the WTC were fireproofed. Guess which floors they were. The same floors that were effected by the plane crash.

Now that is so contradictory it makes absolutely no sense. Those floors caught on fire regardless if the so called fireproofing happened. And why bother? If the government was really "Hey, lets blow shit up", wouldn't it make sense to ignore such precautions? Why spend the money and go to the trouble of doing all of that just to protect it and to have it all tumble down?

Fires were lit at the base of the WTC.

lolwut. The collapse didn't even originate at the base of the tower. Perhaps you've never seen thermite burn, but it is NOTHING like the fires at the world trade center. The amount that would burn to do such a thing would be BLINDING, very highly visible, and highly noticeable. The idea is so inherently flawed its laughable.

And a fun fact: The pentagon broke ground September 11th 1941.

Yes, and Australia invaded New Britain, defeating a German contingent at the Battle of Bita Paka on the same exact date. Clearly a conspiracy. Sorry, but in the 40's and the years that followed, the world was teetering on nuclear war, and not high scale terrorist attacks such as that. If they wanted to go nuts, we'd probably be all dead by now.

Same with the Shanksville PA crash, there is maybe a 2ft crater in the ground....a boeing crash would cause much more. And again, no plane parts were to be found.

"Hello. I am the picture of the salvageable pieces that were collected after the fact. I would like to have a chat with you."

Towers would be able to make the towers collapse into a fine dust.

Do you have any idea the amount of debris that is kicked up when buildings of that scale comes down? This isn't just some mini mart across the street. Watch any demolition of a building, you will see the entire thing reduced in a cloud of dust. Those building were on fire, and came down with force. Anything short of what happened, would of been a cause of suspicion.

And to finally clarify. If these weren't planes that struck them, where did the planes go? Hell, where did the people go? That is doing those that died a huge injustice to even make as if they didn't exist, and that is shameful.

EDIT: This is merely the opinion counter argument of a guy whose avatar is duke nukem with a my little pony riding on his head. Take from this what you will.

Wow...at least now we know which topic makes Dar's blood boil.

Its not so much that I am overly passionate on the subject, but rather that the subject matter on the topic is of a serious nature and warrants a argumentative discussion. I apologize if it sounded like a incoherent rant, as that was not my intent.

No biggie dar, me and you talked over text so its all good. Should i have done a tad more research insted of imediatly posting after watching the film? Yes i probably should have hah. And dar, you have an amazing Avatar